Curse

anders_O · May 23, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Hi, I've got a question for you guys. I recently started doing hardmode on my warrior, and I find myself hitting for 10-30 dmg alot of the time..
I have seen many posts by people saying warrior blow shit up in pve, and I was just wondering what builds you guys are using.

I am currently using an enduring axe build:
Disember
Power attack
Counterattack
Cyclone axe
"Save yourselves"
Dash
Flail
Warriors Enurance

Axe mastery: 12+1+1
Strength: 12+1

A little input on the build, or any other warrior pve build would be great, I want to blow shit up too

gerlin · May 23, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I can't really see how you could be doing so little damage. You should be spamming your 3 energy attack all the time.

I would drop cyclone axe though, its mainly used to fuel whirlwind attack. So unless you put whirlwind in there I wouldn't bother with it. I use Furious axe as another damage skill.

If you want the see bigger yellow numbers in general try subbing in "I Am The Strongest" for a damage boost.

Revelations · May 23, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Strength of Honor is stupidly strong in PvE atm. I've been running an OoS Rt/Mo hero with splinter/ancestors/SoH/couple smites/some resto with my warrior. Lots of big numbers for you (14/15 spec splinters are amazing) and some fairly decent support also.

For physical heavy parties D/N orders builds are pretty powerful too.

Also, completely ignore the above poster when he tells you to drop cyclone axe. Though I would probably run Whirlwind Attack in conjunction with it Cyclone Axe is pretty nice with WE.

anders_O · May 23, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Thanks guys. I forgot to mention I often use Whirlwind aswell.
I will definately try out the rt/mo hero, and unlock IAMTS.
Do you recommend me to run the endurance build, or are there other builds that might do better? I've tried Earth Shaker, but outside of elite areas I often find the mob to be dead before I have enough adrenaline for it. I could also mention that I am tired of Dslash godmode.

Revelations · May 23, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by anders_O

Thanks guys. I forgot to mention I often use Whirlwind aswell.
I will definately try out the rt/mo hero, and unlock IAMTS.
Do you recommend me to run the endurance build, or are there other builds that might do better? I've tried Earth Shaker, but outside of elite areas I often find the mob to be dead before I have enough adrenaline for it. I could also mention that I am tired of Dslash godmode.

Endurance is probably the best warrior elite for a PvE axe bar. Consider using it to fuel Asuran Scan.

Dslash and Hundred Blades for sword (though I wouldn't touch the latter with a stick myself), and Erf Shakur for hammer. I often find the same with Earthsheaker, so I run Enraging and For Great Justice for an instacharge with it. Some people also like to run Lion's Comfort to reset (and increase) your adrenal counter between fights.

anders_O · May 23, 2009, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Alright, just did a vanq with the rt/mo smiter hero, and I must say the damage is great!
Never had this much fun with my fairly new warrior

Thanks alot guys!

Revelations · May 23, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Yep, 14 spec splinters are absolutely godly, as is the new PvE SoH. You can put out some pretty crazy big numbers with that rit in your midline. And it can pretty comfortably keep up SoH on multiple party members, while maintaining a healthy spam of other skills - if it's hard up on energy just throw in Castigation Sig also.

distilledwill · May 23, 2009, 08:12 PM // 20:12

What is it with people and counter attack? Its really not a very good skill.

Revelations · May 23, 2009, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

What is it with people and counter attack? Its really not a very good skill.

It's viable on a WE bar. +30ish damage, 6 sec recharge, +3net energy each use (the majority of the time). Not as spammable as power attack, but still viable.

anders_O · May 23, 2009, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

What is it with people and counter attack? Its really not a very good skill.

Well, the +33dmg +6energy on a 6 sec recharge seems quite ok to me. Anything you would pick instead? Keen chop for crits maybe?

Revelations · May 23, 2009, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by anders_O

Well, the +33dmg +6energy on a 6 sec recharge seems quite ok to me. Anything you would pick instead? Keen chop for crits maybe?

As I mentioned earlier, try Asuran Scan if you have EotN. WE provides you with ample energy for it, and I hit it pretty much on recharge. Otherwise whirlwind attack, or even a res sig - though I normally forgo the latter also. Grasping earth is also a viable skill that I like to muck around with.

Ichi The Shadow · May 23, 2009, 08:48 PM // 20:48

If your looking for an effective fun build in HM that really rapes some npcs I would suggest an Warriors endurance Scythe build. I tend to run with a zealous scythe to gain even more energy.

3 core skills:
Warriors Endurance
Aura of Holy might
Flail

Chose 3 Attacks:
Mystic Sweep-big dmg with a prot monk or orders derv
Ermite's Attack-big dmg against large mobs
Banishing Strike-huge dmg agains minions and undead (helps in areas like SoO and HM Vloxen)
Power Attack-good solid damage usually keep this on my bar
Whirlwind Attack-awesome against large mobs (u have scythe so recharges really fast)
Counter Attack- great if running a energy heavy build
Wild Blow-keep in mind you lose any adrenaline but can be very helpful in certain areas

optional slots (usually pve skills):
Great dwarf armor-additional enchantment and armor bonus
Ebon battle standard of honor-great in combination with a minion master
Feel No Pain - great tanking build if you drunk, also consider using drunken master if using alcohol instead of flail.
Save Yourself-Again fast recharge time with scythe
Asuran Scan- BIG single target dmg

Remember for PVE make sure your heros have synergy with your build. As a physical dmg dealer n/rt curse bars are fun (splinter weapon owns), and orders dervs can help if you have multiple physicals in your party(SoH is nice too as mentioned above).

Beyond that you might want to look at AP build to run discord way which will basically make all HM vanquishing and most dungeons easy mode.

anders_O · May 23, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

AP Build on warrior? Never thought of this because of the low energy pool, might give it a shot when I grow tired of Enduring axe/scythe =)

Revelations · May 23, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57

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Originally Posted by Ichi The Shadow

Remember for PVE make sure your heros have synergy with your build. As a physical dmg dealer n/rt curse bars are fun (splinter weapon owns), and orders dervs can help if you have multiple physicals in your party(SoH is nice too as mentioned above).

Beyond that you might want to look at AP build to run discord way which will basically make all HM vanquishing and most dungeons easy mode.

Mark of pain is insane in the hands of a human. It's pretty bad in the hands of the AI though. Unless you're intending to micro them a fair bit then I would avoid running a curses hero altogether.

Trying to turn a warrior into a gimped caster to run discord heroes is going to end badly. There are better things than discordway to run with a human warrior, but if you really insisted on that then Asuran Scan/Spammable condition on a WE bar would be the way to run it.

Ichi The Shadow · May 23, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

I disagree AP on a warrior works fine, it is not as effective as say an ele or even a ranger but used correctly it doesnt matter in most areas. When your a warrior and looking for the fastest way to vanquish this is the fastest way with discord heros. You kill things so fast with discord running a physical dmg dealer is worthless.

Assassins Promise-main hex
You Move like a Dwarf-main condition
Asuran Scan-back up hex
Crippling dagger-back up condition
some sort of res
Ebon vanguard sin- this is epic you can have 2-3 of these out at once, against charr even more

tanking skills:
endure pain-health against spikes when taking aggro
dolyac sig-armor for initial spike only

With this a did 2/3 of vanquishes epically fast only a few areas make it not viable this is really fast with 3 discord heros, prot, earth, interrupt, and mes/necro henchies. If I was gonna run a physical i would suggest a crip slash with asuran scan.

Revelations · May 23, 2009, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Ichi The Shadow

I disagree AP on a warrior works fine, it is not as effective as say an ele or even a ranger but used correctly it doesnt matter in most areas. When your a warrior and looking for the fastest way to vanquish this is the fastest way with discord heros. You kill things so fast with discord running a physical dmg dealer is worthless.

Assassins Promise-main hex
You Move like a Dwarf-main condition
Asuran Scan-back up hex
Crippling dagger-back up condition
some sort of res
Ebon vanguard sin- this is epic you can have 2-3 of these out at once, against charr even more

tanking skills:
endure pain-health against spikes when taking aggro
dolyac sig-armor for initial spike only

With this a did 2/3 of vanquishes epically fast only a few areas make it not viable this is really fast with 3 discord heros, prot, earth, interrupt, and mes/necro henchies. If I was gonna run a physical i would suggest a crip slash with asuran scan.

AP returns a net of ~10 energy per kill. You've suggested YMLaD which will straight away eat up that 10 excess. You're not going to have the energy to spam Ebon Sin or Asuran Scan - not to mention the fact that Scan will do absolutely nothing except prime discord in your build.

You have no DW to spike down things quicker. Crippling dagger isn't going to do a thing against at least 50% of enemies, aside from a very negligible amount of damage. I'm not even going to elaborate on Dolyak or Endure.

In addition to this, in the rare cases where AP doesn't trigger (interrupts/hex removal/failure to kill target) a caster is still able to make decent use of the standard discord calling skills - albeit with a higher recharge. If you lose AP on that warrior bar you're basically completely useless for a minute due to lack of energy.

Though I don't doubt the power of discord builds in PvE, you'd be stupid to run AP when you could run something like (bbcode still broke so I'll list em)

Warrior's Endurance
Asuran Scan
Sever Artery
Gash
Finish Him
Power Attack
I am the Strongest
Flail/Burst of Aggression/Other IAS

Very rough idea, probably better alternatives, but couldn't think of them off the top of my head. You have both discord primers: a spammable 2a condition, and a low cost, insta-cast, quick recharge hex. Note also that Scan - in addition to setting up discord - is pretty strong in this build, especially using IATS. Dual deep wounds to compensate for kill speed compared to recharge, and Power Attack/IATS for big domage. Sub in a res or a cancel for flail if you need one. Shouldn't be any trouble with energy on that bar. It puts out much bigger damage than the one you posted, and with no downtime if you screw up.

You may find that AP works fine, but just because something works doesn't mean there isn't a better option.

Ichi The Shadow · May 24, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

In principle you would be correct ( a warrior running a caster build wtf) however as I stated before running a physical warrior with discord would be absolutely worthless. Your heros kill almost everything before you even get in into attack range. Asuran scan and crip dagger are only there as back up hex and conditions. Really all you have to do is cast AP, ebon sin and YMLaD, and repeat. And with 12 deadly you get a net +12 (not 10, 17-5 =12) energy is more than adequate as long as you have you have max energy armor and a staff for energy. Ebon sins at max rank do more than enough damn and they KD, making up for the lack of DW on the bar. From experience this is the fastest way to solo vanquish with a warrior. It may not be what you think of as a warrior but it beats anything i have seen at speed. literally the heros will kill most enemies within second of calling.

Again my original post was to run a WE scythe bar, don't get caught up in trying to flame on me for saying AP with discordway is the fastest way to HM most areas. Truth of the matter is that you don't understand the power of discordway unless you try it, half the time before i am not even able to get AP Ebon sin and YMLaD off the target is dead, this is the beauty of being able to call targets and set the triggers for your heros. While some areas may make it not viable the majority of areas in GW can be owned using the build fast and efficiently. Most importantly this is a fun bar because as a warrior you might get bored from the same old thing over and over, AP gives you the ability to be a caster and mix it up!

Lastly Revelations your idea for a build is horrible only one energy attack on your bar (power attack)... sever artery, gash and finish him... all use adrenaline... no synergy there my friend. If you insist on running a WE bar in PVE i would say W/D is your best bet, Scythe does the highest amount of dmg, the attack rate is slower but hitting 3 targets at once more than makes up for this. If you really want deep wound take pious assault.

If your tired of WE bars then I would suggest either Earth Shaker, battle rage or victory is mine bars, axe and most other hammer bars are not very viable in PvE imao.

Saraneth · May 24, 2009, 03:48 AM // 03:48

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Originally Posted by Revelations

Mark of pain is insane in the hands of a human.

Assuming that you were referring to the WE scythe war, MoP won't trigger with [[Aura of Holy Might] on.

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Originally Posted by Revelations

Warrior's Endurance
Asuran Scan
Sever Artery
Gash
Finish Him
Power Attack
I am the Strongest
Flail/Burst of Aggression/Other IAS

Having [[Gash] and [[Finish Him] in the same bar seems rather redundant. There's not a whole lot of incentive to run [[Warrior's Endurance] with a sword anyways.

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Originally Posted by Ichi The Shadow

You Move like a Dwarf-main condition
Asuran Scan-back up hex
Crippling dagger-back up condition

In terms of conditions, [[Withering Aura] can be placed on a hero in order for you to inflict the weakness condition. If you use [[Animate Shambling Horror], the Jagged Horrors will provide bleeding. Use of [[Death Nova] tends to spread poison. Other party members are likely to generate conditions as well.

With hexes, [[Asuran Scan] can serve as your primer. The nec heroes can supply additional hexes, such as [[Putrid Bile] and [[Parasitic Bond].

Ichi The Shadow · May 24, 2009, 04:16 AM // 04:16

When running with 3 heros and henchies it is best for you to provide the hexes and conditions, in addition calling targets will be key in you dispatching foes with efficiency. Why use withering aura when you have enfeebling blood on your curse discord? enfeebling blood>withering aura.

As far as the n/rt curse hero drop MoP for rigor mortis to take down blocking targets such as rangers and monks. Splinter does huge dmg with your scythe, there are lots for options for this guy he is just a great support hero. MoP will work well with minions how ever. and who doesn't micro manage their heros in the first place?

ac1inferno · May 24, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

For an Endurance Warrior, really go Scythe. It's about the best melee weapon for PvE because it's AoE.

[build prof=Warrior/Dervish Scythe=12 Strength=12+1+1][Warrior's Endurance][Power Attack][Eremite's Attack][Protector's Strike][Asuran Scan][Aura of Holy Might]["Save Yourselves!"][Optional][/build]
- [[Body [email protected]] for a hard-hitting adrenal based attack skill (and a possible source of DW).
- [[Enraging [email protected]] to charge "Save Yourselves!"
- [[Rending Touch] for Removing key enchantments.
- [[Wild Blow] to Remove blocking stances, keep in mind it makes you lose all adrenaline.
- [[Pious [email protected]] to inflict Deep Wound. Keep in mind it'll remove any enchantment on you. It would be wise not to equip any enchantment skills.
- [[Resurrection Signet]/[[Sunspear Rebirth Signet] for obvious reasons.
- [[Distracting Blow]/[[Distracting Strike] to interrupt key skills.
- [["Dodge This!"] against Blocking and additional damage.
- [["I Am The Strongest!"] for additional damage.
- [[Feel No Pain] for increased survivabilty.
- [[Great Dwarf Armor] for an armor and hp buff.
- [[Warrior's [email protected]] for temporary unblockable attacks.
- [[Club of a Thousand Bears] for an energy based KD.
- [[Brawling Headbutt] for an adrenaline based KD.
- [[[email protected]] or [[[email protected]].